R1b-P312 has a further branch, that is likely long overdue, of this behemoth branch of the yDNA phylogenetic tree. At least with regards to an online discussion forum. U152 has a large enough user base on its own to warrant its own subgroup away from the other P312 chatter and its other main branches DF27 and L21. As a result, there is yet another Yahoo Group for R1b and specifically below the R1b-P312 forums. Our very own Tim Peterman is this new discussion group admin.
Most in the H600 Project are R1b with some R1b-U152. We encourage all members to participate in their appropriate Yahoo discussion group that is centered around Next Generation Sequence (NGS) testing (like FamilyTreeDNA BigY) and the effort to further grow the ISOGG tree with branching based on the latest knowledge. All the R1b-P312 and lower groups are greatly aided / supported by the work of Alex Williamson at ytree.net. This group serves as a submission point for data (NGS Test Results) to his effort.
For completeness, here are the R1b YahooGroup lists. Many have corresponding FamilyTreeDNA Project groups as well.
yTree already has a different structure below P312 than shown in the ISOGG tree used to identify the groups here.
|ISOGG Tree Nomenclature|
(2016 tree as of publication date)
|YahooGroup Name / Link||FTDNA Project|
|R1b||R1b-YDNA (or more properly, R1b-M343) 1|
|R1b1a1a*||R1b-P297*||For those terminating here|
Includes L2, S255, L20, Z49, PF27 and many more
1The main R1b group is masquerading as R1b in general but really the M269 group? Note sure. Check for yourself.
For those not up on the latest nomenclature, instead of using an old fashioned branch lettering to name groups (like R1b1a1a2a1a2b), it is more common to list a major branch (like R1b) and then the key branch SNP (like U152). If an asterisk added, is only for those terminating there (not further, lower sub-branches). This allows some groups and branches to stay the same as they get moved around in the actual tree. FamilyTreeDNA, ytree, and yfull have already moved to this new nomenclature (for the most part). ISOGG is the last hold out to do so.