B00 DNA I1-A8592: Charles Hoar

There is a new (as of August 2016) FamilyTreeDNA I1-L338 SNP Pack. The SNP I1-L338 is a few steps above I-S1990 in most trees. This SNP Pack should cover most of the defined branches below; it does include A85962. This is the best yDNA SNP test option if your yDNA STR values are matching in this group and you wish to verify your SNP is also strongly matching. If both match, you can simply tag along with the other BigY tests in this group and avoid the major expense yourself. We urge Wood surname and similar close matches to take BigY or at least this FamilyTreeDNA I1-L338 SNP Pack.

Charles Hoar branch is one of the original New England families and came from Southwest England.  Charles was sheriff of Gloucester and died there.  His wife Joanna and youngest children moved to Sudbury, MA in 165x. A well researched line (once in North America). Early leaders in Massachusetts and pre-colonial history are part of this group.  Samuel Hoar and his sons George Frisbee Horr and Ebinezer Hoar, in the 1800's are another famous line within this family. As is Leanord Hoar, the first president of Harvard University. Joanna, after arriving, remarried and started a line that would reach the White House twice (her Great-Grandson and 3x Great Grandson with the surname Adams).

yDNA STR and yDNA SNP results indicate the line is Haplogroup I1. This is completely different than all the other Hore / Hoar / Hoare surname lines tested so far; which all reside in R1.  

It was reported in Edward Horr's book of 1883 that Charles and Hezekiah Hoar were from the same line as his. We are pretty positive with the DNA testing results that the three families are not linked in any genealogical or surname time frame. in fact, with this Charles Hoare group, due to such different Haplogroups, not sharing a common Patrilineal male ancestor anytime in the last ten thousand years.

Tim started the FTDNA project to verify his research that his James Horr line was descendant from Charles and not Hezekiah as some others had published. We are pretty positive of Tim's research now that the families are not linked at all in any genealogical or surname time frame. And due to such different Haplogroups, not anytime in the last ten thousand years or more.

Due to similarities in STR values, at least 37 STR markers must be tested to verify membership with this family. 67 or more markers is really recommended.

yDNA STR Modal

We have many yDNA STR testers in this old family branch ranging from only y12 up to y111 and beyond. One tester has y37, one y67 and two y111. Two have done BigY but we have as yet to extract and compare the STR markers. We are waiting for more, deeper testing to extract a reliable STR modal for this family group.

This haplogroup has many collapsed (i.e. converged) matches at y37 level of testing. At y67, most begin to pull apart. Except one group that all have the surname Wood. We are working to get them SNP and STR tested deeper to assure it maintains a match. If so, then to determine which group has the NPE. Our groups most recent common ancestor under Charles Hoare is farther back than the earliest Wood ancestor yet traced. Thus looking most likely that ours is the older line. But one never knows in these cases till you flush out the details.

ySNP Haplogroup

This family's current terminal SNP is I-A8592. The path for this line from I1-L338, using YCC "short form" SNP nomenclature is: I-L338 > I-S12289 > I-S1990/I-Y4015 > I-A8061 > I-A85962. The chart for yFull.com's placement of this family is shown to the right followed by the chart from FamilyTreeDNA.

As FTDNA's phylogenetic tree has now caught up to yFull, we switch over to the FTDNA nomenclature as the primary used here. Both sometimes use two different SNP's from the same branch point to name a haplogroup. Or they may use a variant name for the same SNP. This makes some of the haplogroups down the path to a leaf appear different. We have attempted to point this out in the charts so you can compare the two more easily. FamilyTreeDNA uses SNP variant name I-S1990 for yFull's SNP name I-Y4015. FamilyTreeDNA uses SNP I-A8592 instead of I-A8596 to designate the terminal block. Both SNPs are in the 16 SNPs designated in this terminal block. Just yFull and FTDNA chose a different SNP from the list to name the haplogroup.

ISOGG has the SNP I1-L338 as the lowest node in their tree on the path (I1-a2a1a1a1) to this family's terminal marker. yFull and FamilyTreeDNA show much structure beneath this point. If the ISOGG tree were to go to the depth of yFull and FamilyTreeDNA, then the full designation for this terminal (or Haplogroup) in the YCC long path form would likely be I1-a2a1a1a1-a1c1. Where the last 4 letters have to be added beyond what ISOGG designates. We added "a" to designate I-S12289, "1" for I-S1990, "c" for I-A8601 and "1" for the terminal I-A8592; all determined based on the FTDNA Block Tree order and branching.

Some designate the SNPs in this major branch with a pre-pended I. Others still designate using the branch designation one lower of I1 or I2 that have been historically used. I and I1 are interchangeable on this page when pre-pended to an SNP.

STR test results tend to predict I-M253 as the Haplogroup for those in this family. I-M253 is simply the defining SNP for I1. I1-M253 is duplicating the same name really. When supplied with the y67 STR values, and using the I sub-clade predictor, NevGen predicts a haplogroup of I-S12289. Which is one branch lower than the I1-L338 for which there is an SNP Pack. And pretty deep in the phylogenetic tree. Definitely 10 steps or so deeper than simply the I1 haplogroup given by FTDNA and one higher than the original BigY reported terminal. Note: When entering the Wood surname STR values, the same I-S12289 predicted haplogroup comes up with near 100% probability. Thus indicating the I1-L338 SNP Pack is appropriate for those with the surname matching this group here.

AncestryDNA does not have much coverage for SNP markers in the I1 branch. Basically, just tells that you are in I1 without even testing the actual I1-M253 marker that names the branch (there are several markers at the i1 branch and some others are tested). So the SNP values included in AncestryDNA's basic Autosomal test are not much better information than the STR predicted Haplogroup. It is not known how much deeper the 23andMe or NGG yDNA SNP marker tests place a member of this family line beyond I1 in the tree.